Loughborough-based GWR Castle No. 7027 ‘Thornbury Castle' has been sold to the Great Western Society's 4709 Project Group, who are based at the Didcot Railway Centre.
The Castle is currently based at the Great Central Railway and the 4709 Group says that every one of 7027's components will play a significant role in the current and future projects at the Great Western Society.
The major component is 7027's GWR No. 8 Boiler.
This is a major hurdle for the 4709 Group, who are aiming to build GWR 2-8-0 No. 4709. Early indications, sent to RailAdvent by 4709 Chairman, Richard Croucher, suggest that the boiler will need its supports repositioning to comply with 4709 as well as Network Rail's loading gauge, new tubes, new smokebox tube plate, replacement stays, change of foundation ring rivets and solving a problem
The No. 8 Boiler will save the project a huge amount of time and money, with a new 47XX No. 7 boiler costing around £800,000.
This purchase leaps the 4709 Group forward and means almost all of the major components for 4709 have now been sourced by the Group.
In his full statement, 4709 Chairman, Richard Croucher, said: “The opportunity has arisen for the 4709 Project to acquire Thornbury Castle and with it, its no.8 boiler,” commented the 47XX' chairman, Richard Croucher. “Thornbury's boiler (no. 7615) was built at Swindon in 1949. It has a copper firebox which we believe was replaced in 1959 – an initial survey shows it to be in a surprisingly good condition. It will need thickness testing, all stays hammer testing and then, the scale cleaned out for a better visual exam.”
“At this stage, we doubt there is any need to remove the foundation ring, or change much of the platework beyond front tube plate,” adds Richard.
The no.8 boiler offers a huge saving for the 4709 Project – not least in time and energy; current estimates suggest that a new 47XX-standard no.7 boiler would cost more than £800,000 to fabricate and take up to five years to complete.
Another issue is building the boiler; “Informally, we've spoken to a number of possible contractors who have intimated their preference for a steel firebox, while at the GWS, we'd prefer a copper unit. The downside to steel would be the need for a redesign of the entire firebox with the inevitable delays and re-design approval that would cause. We also know that the life expectancy will be shortened, while its maintenance costs will be proportionally higher.”
“With the opportunity to acquire 7027's no.8 boiler for 4709, the Project leaps forward to a point where we now have almost all of the major components required to build our Churchward 47XX 2-8-0.”
“A boiler for 4709 has always been a hot topic of conversation” adds Richard. “Initially, class leader, 4700 carried a no.1 boiler for its first year of operation, but it was generally agreed that it didn't produce sufficient steam for the heavy loads the 47XX were designed to pull. At that time, the no.7 boiler was already under development and 4700's no.1 was swapped for the no.7 as soon as it was completed at Swindon. It proved to be very successful and henceforth, all ten 47XX carried no.7 boilers.”
“So, our intention has always been for 4709 to carry a No. 7 boiler if possible. With lower loadings making a fall back to using the donor no.1 boiler from 2861 as contingency. Our acquisition of Thornbury Castle neatly avoids that necessity.”
Richard emphasises that on 4709, the slightly smaller dimensioned no.8 boiler from the Castle would not be possible to spot, being a matter of a only few inches in the barrel diameter. “It's hardly a stumbling block and will be indistinguishable from a standard no. 7 boiler. Remember, we would still have had to lower the centreline of the no.7 boiler by a similar amount, to clear the NR loading gauge.”
Richard explains; “Back in the early 1920s, the GWR planned to use the no.7 boiler for a number of other classes, including the ‘Saint' and 28XX, all of which then carried the no.1 boiler. I think we'll see something similar happening here.”
Following the recent delivery of the two fully machined new cylinder castings together with the new cylinder and valve covers to Tyseley, the next stage for 4709 will be the assembly of the the two cylinder castings as a single block – this work is currently underway. With that accomplished, the block will be installed in the the refurbished donor extension frames from 4115.”
The initial plan had been to utilise the 6 cwt centre stay from 4115, but the 4709 team was quickly realised that it was way too light for the 2-8-0. Now, once the extension frames are fitted, it will be possible to accurately measure how much the new 2 ton centre stay will need to be machined and once done, it too can be finally fitted to the loco.
“The plan is then to reassemble the front buffer beam in order to allow the whole front-end assembly to be offered up to the main frames for optical alignment. We can then turn our attention to wheeling 4709, complete the overhaul of the axle boxes and fit the new springs which are already on order. In the interim, the pony truck assembly is being re-assembled and will be ready to be placed under the front end.”
“We hope to inspect the boiler later this year, overhaul it and then see it installed in 4709's frames before too long.”
The potential demise of 7027 feels like a kick in the stomach,only thing is,it really hurts.
I am most disgusted with your purchase of a locomotive, that Great Western Fans have dreamed of seeing restored and working again. We all thought that 7027 was at last in the right location to see this happen (GCR), after being moved from pillar to post over tens of years. Work was going on very well, with many parts collected, and a lot of new castings ready ! A lot of parts still needed, but well in hand. Your group has now destroyed the volunteer & full time staff moral, ( it’s like a kick in the teeth ). The amount of bad comments, from all over, toward your group is unbelievable !! To ruin a perfectly good engine, and break it for parts is unacceptable. If you do go ahead and destroy Thornbury Castle, then the professionalism of your group will be heavily tarnished, and probably get little help from other railways & groups. I am not against your new build (4709), but this is so wrong.
I presume that Thornbury Castle will now become a Christmas Tree and will never be overhauled. I sincerely hope my presumption is incorrect
Although the boiler from Thornbury Castle is claimed to be in good condition, I question the decision to break up 7027 to provide parts for other GWR/GWS locos. The LMS-Patriot Project has already found out to its cost that is better to make new steam loco components than to use old, life expired components. Also breaking up Thornbury Castle goes against Didcot’s original ethos of saving GWR locos for its collection, not breaking them up for spares!!
So what is going to happen to Thornburg castle now it has been sold.
What will you do with the rest of Thornbury Castle? Are there THAT many spare Castles around to warrant carving one up for “parts”?
This must be a wind up, not funny.